I was shocked and amazed to find a piece of my thoughts, figments of my imagination, in words on pages of paper that I'd already started loving. What amazed me even more was realising that my thinking was similar to just another regular guy trying to make money buy selling made up philosophy. Not. Because it is similar to a guy, who is just telling his tale to the world. And it's not even his... if you want the specifics it's a theory, one of the Mafia dons in Mumbai believed in. A patron of sciences and philosophy. Anyway, that's for you to find out when you read the book. Which you should.
I've decided to put this into words. Even though I don't know if I should be scared, happy or plain and simple book myself a room in the Agra Mental Hospital. Because, this is something Shantaram was told, by a man who had seen the world... who'd been taught by some of the best. It's something he advised Shantaram to ask every person who pronounced himself learned and great. Some sort of a test. And to think that the right answer lay in what I thought, already, at this age... kinda freaked me out.
It's nothing complicated. Real simple in fact. It was chemistry that actually got me thinking... since you all know I detest the subject because I can't see all this stuff they talk about happening in front of me. Anyway, the thought process started in one of those boring classes.
It is an accepted theory that a big bang, literally, led to the formation of the universe. It started of in the simplest of ways... and has been moving forward ever since. These simple things have been combining with each other in various ways to form less simple, more complicated things. And that's been the way ever since the Big Bang. Moving towards more and more complexity.
Each particle that formed as a result of the big bang, had certain characteristics to it. These characteristics show when they combine with certain other particles which have their own set of characteristics. Depending on how many, what kind and how they combined, a set of characteristics was revealed and the rest didn't show up, until when it was time for them to show up.
From single celled species came multicellular and so on. The universe moved on until it reached what it is today, in all it's glory. Humans, animals, the birds and the flowers. The stars and the galaxies. And it still moves on.
Towards the ultimate complexity. That some wish to call God. It is what the whole universe it moving towards. Other "things" and parts of the universe, like us, are also moving towards. And everything that enhances, helps and aids in this movement towards the ultimate complexity is good, while everything that hinders the process is evil. The easiest way to figure out if what your doing is right or wrong, is to ask yourself: what would happen if everybody did it? And me is not talking about the stupid stuff. I'm being serious here.
Say, take fighting. If everyone were to start doing it, there'd be chaos at first, and then death and dying. Which hinders our movement towards this infinite complexity. Because then we have to start over again... But the cycle will start.. until we reach there.
This gives us a pretty good idea about if we are right or wrong. What's more important is to know why it's that way.
That's that. My thoughts and words entwined with Gregorys. There might be a few loop holes. But, this is by far the most convincing thing I've read. Oh and how does chem come here? The second law of thermodynamics says that every system tries to reach a form with maximum chaos, for that is where it is most stable. When I got thinking about this in terms of life, it somehow led to the theory that I've just laid down for you. And by the by, there is a law, that talks of this movement to the ultimate complexity. I, of course, didn't know of it, until I read about it in the book.
Anyway, happy thinking this over. Let me know what you think. Thankus for bearing with me, till the end!! lol... lotsaluv and hugs,
Yours forever sthupitly.
If God is yet to evolve, what created the universe?
Kaushik
I said we were moving towards this force. the force already exists. it's the same force that lead to the big bang... God, this ultimate complexity, exists. We're moving towards it.
Actually, I am of the opinion that God is a shockingly, mind-numbingly simple entity... something so simple we can't understand it.
Kaushik
I haven't said God is complicated. Or for that fact, that he's simple either. And in fact.. let's see... there's two types of simple.One is simple, basic stuff. Where one begins. The other simple is when you've collected all the simples and made something out of them. You haven't really complicated stuff.. you've collected it and made it something. And that's simple, cuz in a way you've lessened the chaos.
I think the big bang resulted from this huge concentration of energy. This energy is what I call God. This force is what I think is God. Just like you once said, it's there. All I'm trying to say is, we are moving towards it at all times. By lessening the chaos... In a way.
God's a he? I think God's an it.
Kaushik
ugh. made an error while writing. pah. I'm calling it a force, aren't i? So, it really can't have a gender, can it?
hello sthupit girl. Im a usual reader of your blog and so i felt free to post a comment. in the end of half an hour of writting, the comment is just too long...as you can imagine.
instead of posting a comment ill make a post on my blog. If you wish, feel free to visit it. www.war-drobe.blogspot.com
ill post the comment in english, although all the rest is in my motherlanguage, portuguese, for what i appologise...
keep the good posts. ill help the quest for thoughts whenever i can.
if we dont concentrate so much on whether god is simple or simply complex...and worry more about things that lie clear in front of us..it would help us a bit more...as long as good exists and one has faith in him..i dont see the point of the controversy
Bah! Nothing to say. I dont Beleive in god at all so i have noting to say xD
Rythwin.
p.s.: i finished the tagged entry
http://www.damnedtemple.blogspot.com
hmm....what profound ideas and forgiving the concept of god...i think most of it makes ample sense to actually think ahead...but right now am tired and hence will let Kaushi do all the contradictions.
till later...tada
i beg your pardon...it was mean to be Kaushik and not Kaushi....sorry man...I should be more careful...(laughing inside)
Aargh! Complexity!
I just din't want to talk about it for a while. People keep away from me for being "Complicated" and have vehemently asked me to be Simple.
Anyways... that was a good thought. Who ever called you sthupit girl? :D
As for God... hmm, an intense topic... This time I'll just be Simple and not talk :D
~fEelix
Im new to this whole blogging thing but since every single publishing house on the planet refused to publish anything i wrote i decided to give it a try!
And instead of finding another bunch of losers like me the 1st one i find is urs(Directed by my bro Rythwin)!
Thi theory is simply too complex for me to accept without questining its complex simplicity!
Let me 1st make it clear that i dont believe in god but looking at it from the point of some1 who does..
Simplicity and complexity are not ilussions! Because they are creations of a human mind rather than actual existing things!
Your views are pretty profound and the line where you said "God is a shockingly, mind-numbingly simple entity... something so simple we can't understand it." is what really drew me to write here! Ma friend has been telling me that for years! you should both get together sometime! I can just imagine god committing suicide!
One last thing.. Everything in the planet is simple!!!! Everything but women! ;-)
Yours darkly in the light,
Dark Messiah!
www.mysoulstayslost.blogspot.com
I rather stay here uncommented "over the real topic".. because I'm rather stupid, or more shtupit, or not having enough guts to dump my thoughts here.. for it may hurt a lots of people on their faith, tease why did they do all this time, tease their brains sometimes, and see me as inhuman.. This is no indirect brag.. and I Stop. (I even recycle binned some words.)
But why am i telling you all this? Because if i go one day mad due to this, you at least know the reason why it happened and might help me recover from it by preaching the common. So all good for me! I'm done.
NeoDarwinian
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A little bit of gibberish and ??
Is chaos itself not complexity? chaos does not happen on its own but is itself simplicity without constraint or conformity. Complexity can be neither good or evil because chaos requires progress as much as any ultimate complexity and in the end maybe one and the same. :)
Hi. Just a random internet surfer. Have you considered looking into Pantheism? Very similar concept - at least in terms of "God being everything and everything being god." I see echoes of it in your description here. Just a thought.
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So just to contribute... i don't think God or our definition of god (as in the "top guy") is even in this dimension. I read Shantaram a while back but for some reason i after watching zeitgeist, my head thought of ultimate complexity again and i think i have a theory to explain goes beyond it. sorry if my writing will not make much sense as i am not complete "clear" at the moment, however i am pretty sure i am more clear now then ever. i read a book by Dr. Brian L Weiss only love is real. I won't go into too much details. but lets just say that in the book, there are these "masters" and one thing he said that i remembered today is that... we are in a very dense dimension (my interpretation is the physical world) this universe tasked is to reach ultimate complexity for physical matters. now the next universe or dimension is the dimension of consciousness (to have consciousness reach it's ultimate complexity, this dimension will not be "dense"). this is also the reason why we can't measure love or those things, it's because love can only be created and sensed by our consciousness... any physical measuring instrument would not work as consciousness is not something that is "dense". btw... a lot of theories are true and they really can be explained by the tendency to reach ultimate complexity. take care!
This entire theory assumes complexity is linear.
Too basic.
The whole concept that the universe expands and then contracts could mean complexity should follow a similar pattern of growth followed by flattening and then decay. I think the chances anything is linear in nature is unlikely.
This entire theory assumes complexity is linear.
Too basic.
The whole concept that the universe expands and then contracts could mean complexity should follow a similar pattern of growth followed by flattening and then decay. I think the chances anything is linear in nature is unlikely.