Lemme go in order... so just follow me, and then tell me what you have to say.
A gay activist cited an example of how the law can be and is twisted and turned when and as pleased. Under article 377 ( For you lawyers in the making, if it's not 377, then whichever article it is. I really dnt care what number you want to call it.) it is stated that forced sex with a man, a woman and an animal is an offence. So, a man who had sex with his chicken (way to go!!) wasn't prosecuted because a fowl is not an animal(someone please explain the difference to me??)
This very article, is of importance ( big surprise there) because it is under this article that child abusers are prosecuted. Rape comes under this article.
At this point, I'd also like to point out that policemen all around the country use this very "law" to harass people who might seem to be gay/lesbians. Homosexuals HAVE had to spend 6 months in jail on this very basis.
Some people want this law to be ammended. So that there is a seperate law that deals with abuse and rape and another that deals with homosexuality...
Now, I came across some very interesting statements made by some very famous people (I will not mention names) who have responded to the "Should homosexuality be legalised?" question. Politically correct statements of course. Here's a gist of them...
"It is an abnormality. Marraige between a man and a man or a woman and a woman is un-natural. By legalising this un-natural bond we are propogating this abnormality. But, let me make one thing clear, I agree that we should learn to accept such people. I have nothing against them. But it is abnormal."
"Marraige, as defined by the church, refers to a family. And a family primirarily consists of a man and a woman. Any other bond, like that of a man and a man or a woman and a woman, is not recognised as a marraige by the Church. And hence, the phrase, gay marraige is of no significance." (Father...God bless you.. NOT!!)
"We should help such people. We should help treat this abnormality. It is a problem and needs to be treated."
A gay person, in response to this offer of treatment and sympathy, had this to say : I can hear, walk, talk and see. All my five senses work. What is this problem you are talking about? What is this problem you want to treat? (Answer that smartypants..ha!)
Politically correct, my little toe. I was ashamed and disgusted on hearing people voice such veiws. Fact of the matter is that you think these people are abnormal. That they carry a disease or something. That they have a problem that needs to be treated so that it doesn't, what was that word that wise guy used? aah.. so that is doesn't propogate.
A person doesn't chose to be homosexual. It is something genetic, that comes from within. Wake up mister! These people are every bit as human as you and I. Oh I'm sorry, as human as me. Not you.
Two very interesting points come to mind:
1. Sex between animals of the same sex is not un common. It has been seen and documented. So, there goes your "un natural" theory out of the window.
2. There should be a law against policemen barging into other peoples houses to check on who they are sleeping with!!
Every person is an image of God. Each person is perfect. Who the hell are you/we/me to discriminate and point fingers are some people and saying that they are wrong??
It makes these people question themselves. Get into drugs. Try to live a normal life by marrying the other sex. And bringing AIDS home. Along with misery.
The question when reframed, "Sir, suppose the two were seperated, as is being suggested. Do you support a law legalising gay marraiges?"
"No." And they repeated the same bullshit as mentioned above.
NOW, you know what I think. I think that it was better when we were living in the forests. People back then had SENSE. Oh! what's the best part? They knew how to be human. Well, as human as an ape/chimp can be. But seriously, I'd rather be a chimp than a person who thinks the way these above mentioned people think. In short, I think everyone is an individual and is defined by some characteristics. Each person has his/her own personality, mind and feelings. No one, and I mean no one, has the right to stop a person on the road and say, "You're a guy. You have no right to have sex with another guy. It's wrong. There's something wrong with you. Lemme take you to a doc, and we can sort this out."
It might come as a shock to some people, but two people in a relationship, don't spend all their time having SEX. Big shocker there, huh?? People in love, do other stuff than making love all, the sexual way, all the time. And it is about LOVE. Not SEX all the time. They live their lives together, work, play, and whatever normal people do, too. Why do you want to define them as different form different? Each person is different. But you want to call these people different from all the other differents, that you and me are?? (good analogy, huh? Really brainy.. but u get the pt!!)
Now.. before you get totally lost..tell me what you think..untill then, im gnna go do some chemistry.. exam tomorrow! Damn you'd think you'd get rid of such things once you get into college... But take my word.. it just keeps getting worse!!
Oh!! BACK TO THE POST..!! Concentrate.. ;)
Have a lovely day..love ya guys!
Preetika,
I love your blog but I can't say that I agree with this post.
I agree most with the police officers quote at the very beginning of the post.
Just because animals are doing it doesn't mean its natural. Like us, animals can develope abnormally.
I have felt attracted to men a lot these last few years, I don't feel attracted to women at all, and I have studied a lot on the issue of homosexuality.
Because of various influences in society, family, friends, culture, and a persons view of themselves, homosexuality and lesbianism are created. There are numerous studies to prove this but they get no publicity because they do not help the presses liberal agenda.
Homosexuality is like any other mental illness. Nobody can force you to go the docter, or to stop embracing the problem, but that doesn't mean that it isn't a problem.
There are people who feel naturally attracted to cutting themselves, their arms, legs, their wrists. There are animals that bite and cut themselves too, so should we endorse this behavior as normal or healthy?
There are animals that eat their own children, should we accept that as natural?
Gay men have a much higher rate to contract a whole plethera of STDs. They are also more likely to get Anal cancer or anal infections that kill lots of gay men every year.
The average lifespan of a gay man is half that of a normal persons because of these diseases and infections.
Gay men are more likely to kill themselves, 80% more likely, infact says Gay Magazine. Some people, such as yourself, blame society and family for the depression and guilt that drives these people to this end, but there is evidence against this as well.
In France and Sweeden people have been able to live "gay" for the last few decades. In these places they are free from persucution from religous groups, common people, their families, government officials and cops, and yet they continue to kill themselves at shocking rates.
I am not saying that homosexuality should be against the law, it shouldn't. concenting adults should be able to do whatever they want.
But do you really think that we should promote and accept a behavior that is next to suicide?
I still like your blog, Preetika, but because of my personel experiances and studies I will just have to agree to disagree with you on this topic.
its too long
but i swear i'll read it l8er
umm greg,
Firstly, thanks for the "i love your blog"... it's a new experience for me.. :)
The reason the suicide rate is high is because such people are looked upon differently. I guess it could be a problem, but then you really can't do anything about it. It's just the way they are. So, why do you want them to be miserable, by calling them WRONG and stuff like that?
Their sexual inclinations do not make them less human. They don't roam around with banners saying "I'm gay. Treat me differently." You live the same way I do. I mean we go through the same motions of life of being happy, in love, angry, depressed. We go to school and then college, and then flunk exams we didn't study for. Why should who I sleep with or don't sleep with make a difference to anybody, but me??
It doesn't make you abnormal. I hate the word. And this France thing your quoting... See according to me, by JUST having laws that legalise homosexuality isn't enough. People should be human enough to accept other people just the way they are.
And about animals eating their own babies.. I guess that's why we are still called Humans and them Animals. They aren't ABNORMAL, they are just another species of animals, who'll go extinct at a faster rate than us.
Thanks for coming. I hope you visit more often.
@sis: you'd better!
Correction #1: Homosexuality isn't "genetic". You probably didn't mean genetic when you said it, but you said genetic, and genetic means genetic, and that means you're saying genetic.
In other words, if I'm gay it doesn't mean my son would be.
Apart from that, I don't have too much of a say on the issue, because I really have no idea how homosexuals feel about the issue, but what I do know is that if you love someone, whether that someone is of a different sex or not, no one has the right to stop you. Maybe it is a problem, maybe it isn't, but you're still entitled to do whatever you want, as long as both people in the relationship want it.
If these people want help, if they think homosexuality is a problem, they can try to fix it. If they don't want help, if they think it's natural, then let them stay how they are. Is it affecting anyone else? Is it? Will it affect you if you mind your own bloody business?
If you don't like the idea of homosexuality, you needn't be associated with homosexuals. But don't go around telling them that they're bad or diseased or whatever, because it's none of your business.
By the way "you" in those last few paragraphs wasn't directed at you, PK... you get what I mean.
Koze
yay! you posted a sane comment.
I don't know what being a homosexual feels like. But being called different or diseased feels like hell.
You know what they do in this so called therapy for homosexuals? Suppose your a guy.. they show you pics of naked guys. Ask you how you feel. And then they show you pics of naked girls. Ask you how you feel. And some more crazy stuff.. This sort of a thing is banned in some countries. and with good reason too. It's bullshity and crazy.
Very good advice on the love part. I never expected it from you :) People have got to learn how to mind their own business and accept people for who and what they stand.
Yeah yeah i know you didn't mean me-ME. When I called it genetic, i did mean something to do with genes. But they can't be passed down generations. As far as i know scientists are still working on that part.. they whys nd the passing down generations.
Anyway, thanks for dropping by.
Preetika, here you go again! You touched upon a very sensitive yet a very very sensible topic.
I remember reading someone's words as : just because homosexuality persists amongst a very small percentage of the population, it can't be termed abnormal. So are lefthanders abnormal?
Homosexuality is a natural, biological phenomenon. Nobody can force attraction on the same sex and I feel anguished when people relate homosexuals to psycho-paths, sex-maniacs and what not! Apart from their sexual orientation, what else makes them different?
Good one again Preetika, inspite of the length of the post ;-)
thanks ravi! i'm glad you liked it and approve.
inspite of the lenght, of course ;)
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@KAUSHIK: i think when preetika says "genetic" she means genetic... Xq28 (a region of the X chromosome) is supposedly the culprit...so if your son turns out to be homosexual...blame your wife for it.
@PREETIKA: for being so patient and writing such a long post...kudos to you, the point about society accepting such "deviation", it will take time but it'll come...till then people like you gotta write about in on their blogs...in the coll magazines or wherever you can find to voice your opinion...all the best.
(sorry about deleting the earlier comment..didn't like the way it sounded)
thanks for clearing the genetic point.
patience for writing a long post?? na.. i dnt need that... once i start i can go on for ages. I stopped where i stopped 'cuz i have an exam tm.. lol
Thanks for visiting!
I didn't say that homosexuality made them less human, it just makes them disfunctional.
I should re-state that. Such a psychological disorder makes US disfunctional.
Who you sleep with does make a difference in school if it is going to make you depressed and get you killed. Trust me, finals are hard enough without having Aids.
You did hear me say that these people in these other countries are completely accepted, they face no oppression and continue to kill themselves. It isn't the people around them, its the "life style" that is driving them to this.
I do think they deserve respect, just like anyone else.
I even think they should be able to get married to each other if that is what they want. I think this because gay marriage, at least among gay men, is a joke.
The infidelity rates are ten times that of straight people, and the marriages that do stay together die early because of Aids and the other host of medical problems this life style holds.
This is almost always the case with gay marriages.
Normal?
Sure, that is a relative term. But you think homosexuality is normal.
I would like to know what "abnormal" is to you, Preetika.
What is abnormal?
Because if anything somebody feels like doing is normal, this would mean murder, insest, and every other horrible thing in the world is "normal".
I still love your blog, and I admire that you have the courage to bring up this subject, as touchy as it is these days.
hey Greg,
the facts you've stated are valid. but like i also said..there really isnt anything you can do about it since it's genetic. By forcing peoples likes and dislikes your just making them more miserable, in a way.
I really don't know what it is like to be in such a situation, so i guess i won't say anymore. i'd jst really like everyone to be given as much respect as anyone else. and im sorry that they have to live such a hard life.
I almost forgot to tell you about the "Therapy for Homosexuals" like myself.
There is a program, it isn't very popular, and is quickly dying out, that involves pornography analysis, what you described.
I can tell you from experiance that program does not work.
What is becoming more popular as therapy for these people is therapy with a psycholagist who can help them understand how this problem developed as they grew up, and then meeting the deficets where they are.
FOR EXAMPLE:
If a boy grows up and his father abuses him, verbally, lets say, the boy might react by cutting himself off from his father and look to his mother as a role model. As other male figures are cruel to the boy he will continue to cut off himself from the male population and go more to his mothers world.
Eventually the boy will begin going through puberty and instead of feeling horny about girls he will feel horny about boys, because psychologically he wont identify himself as one.
This process is how homosexuality, or lesbianism, are usually formed.
Understanding specifically how this problems developes for each individual can lead them to learn to relate to people of the same sex through healthy (non-sexual) ways. Then when they can identify themselves with their own gender, as men or women, their un-twisted sexual desires can return and they can life healthy lives.
This is the process I am going through, and after all of my reading I do believe that this is not an issue of sexual orientation but of ones sexual identity and not being able to relate properly to ones own sex.
I do know what gay people feel like, I used to be one of them, but I am changing. I can actually feel the change.
The media hides the alternatives, the cures, from us as best as they can.
Anyway, I hope that helps your understanding.
I have some links you might find usefull, if you want them just ask.
@brock: you visited!! yay!! There is the factor of diseases spreading and all...
@greg: very interesting. I won't say I understand all of it.. but well, as long as your happy with who and what you stand for. I'm happy.
@dhruva: Thank you for telling me what you think.. 'makes one helluva difference ;) I just hope more people will start accepting this.
@Dpak: thank you to you too. But why shudnt i have mentioned the genetic factor?
thanks Dhruva. that means alot comming from you.
honestly, i don't wanna say anything.
my views are a mix of most peoples' here. sometimes i feel one way, and sometimes another.
only thing, its not a trend, not a fad.
its been around since, like, forever. so it is a serious tendency.
very true amelie. But i think that's what Dhruva was talking about... it's not something to use to make fun of other people.
Anyway.. Thanks alot to all you guys for dropping in!
There isn't much thinking going on with this post, or the responses, all of you are barfing up things you have heard on TV.
I love Rocky.
If there isnt much thinking going on.. then why dnt you start with it?
@dhuva: thank you for that. i was begining to doubt the post.
@bangalore guy: lol.. yeah i think i had a physics paper the next day so had gone bonkers.
Thanks for visiting...keep visiting!
lol...tough times ahead of you then ;)